Friday, February 1, 2013

American Evangelist said concept of Christian God and Allah different


Rick Warren on Muslims, Evangelism and Missions
with Brandon A. Cox and The Christian Post

QUESTION: Do people of other religions worship the same God as Christians?

WARREN: Of course not. Christians have a view of God that is unique. We believe Jesus is God! We believe God is a Trinity: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Not 3 separate gods but one God. No other faith believes Jesus is God. My God is Jesus. The belief in God as a Trinity is the foundational difference between Christians and everyone else. There are 2.1 billion people who call themselves Christians… whether Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, Pentecostal, or Evangelical…and they all have the doctrine of the Trinity in common.

QUESTION: A recent newspaper article claimed you believe Christians and Muslims worship the same God, that you are "in partnership" with a mosque, and that you both agreed to "not evangelize each other." You immediately posted a brief refutation online. Can you expand on that?

WARREN: Sure. All three of those statements are flat out wrong. Those statements were made by a reporter, not by me. I did not say them ... I do not believe them... I completely disagree with them ... and no one even talked to me about that article! So let me address each one individually: First, as I've already said, Christians have a fundamentally different view of God than Muslims. We worship Jesus as God. Muslims don't. Our God is Jesus, not Allah. Colossians 2:9 "For in Christ dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily."

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The concept of God as named Allah to Muslim is not the same as God to a Christians. Why do Malaysian Christians want to call their God as Allah? What is their ulterior intention?

8 comments:

  • Jijan Mali.... says:
    February 1, 2013 at 11:38:00 AM GMT+8

    Majority of the muslim in Malaysia know their ulterior intention. Only those ass**l* malay in PAS-pis-puss, P'Gay'R & DAPpigs think they can mislead us, the silent majority, in supporting them. We will kick their *ss in this coming PRU13.

  • Anonymous says:
    February 1, 2013 at 11:46:00 AM GMT+8

    Jijan Mali...definitely agree with you.

    EVLee

  • Anonymous says:
    February 1, 2013 at 12:25:00 PM GMT+8

    I agree with you. We will kick their asses. hahahaha

  • Anonymous says:
    February 1, 2013 at 12:55:00 PM GMT+8

    Pakiam kata tak pe, tipu sunnat...

  • Anonymous says:
    February 1, 2013 at 1:34:00 PM GMT+8

    Father joseph also does not believe three in one in politics. He believes one is more superior than the other two. Pas pok nik believes he can say and do anything he wants as long as dap approve it.

  • IT.Sheiss says:
    February 1, 2013 at 2:37:00 PM GMT+8

    Different Christians have different opinions on this issue.

    An evangelical Christian colleague of mine told me that Allah and the Christian God are "not the same."

    Such evangelicals would most probably not be demanding that Christian Bibles have the word "Allah."

    However, look at this first statement.
    "WARREN: Of course not. Christians have a view of God that is unique. We believe Jesus is God! We believe God is a Trinity: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Not 3 separate gods but one God."

    Note the phrase "view of God." That suggests that Warren does not say that the Muslim & Christian God are not the same but that Muslims and Christians have a different "view of what God is."

    Still, like my evangelist colleague, Warren believes the Christian and Muslim Gods are different.

    However, nobody had asked Warren whether Muslims, Christians and Jews believe in the same God the Father.

    Warren's says Christians worship God the Son (Jesus) which is only partly true. If Christians did not worship God the Father, then they would not say the Our Father prayer to God the Father.

    Anyway, looking at the history of religion in the Middle East and Mediterranean region, each different tribe or nation had their God or gods or different concept of God or gods and those Abrahamic God were termed "pagan."

    Thus these competing concepts of God or gods took on a political character, which lasts until today.

    For example, Jesus who was a Jew disagreed with the practices of the Jewish priests called Pharisees over their excessively legalistic and ritualistic doctrines and practices which lacked the spiritual aspect. For example, being a good Jew was determined by how strictly they observed the law of Moses and ritualistic practices, rather than to have a closer relationship with God and live their lives according to his will.

    Towards the end, Jesus also objected to the commercialism in the Jerusalem Temple and corruption of the Jewish priesthood and that's why the priests got the Romans to execute on the cross.

    At the time, there were three traditions within Judaism - i.e. the Sadducees (aristocratic priests), Pharisees (commoner priests) and the Essenes (an ascetic group which objected to the practices of the other two and which split off to practice their beliefs in the desert).

    Some theologians believe that Jesus was an Essene or was influenced by Essene believe, since he did not criticise the Essene branch of Judaism.

    Essene scriptures (Dead Sea Scrolls) were discovered in Qumran above the Dead Sea in 1947, though many such scriptures were not included in the Roman Catholic Bible which traces back to the Council of Nicea in 325, and which forms the basis of other bible versions today.

    The apostle Paul, who never met Jesus, contributed much which became part of mainstream Christian doctrine today.

    Some believe, the Dead Sea Scrolls provide an insight into early Christianity before the year 325, though this is till debatable.

    However, these scriptures provide quite a different perspective from what Christianity believes today.

    For example, they do not say that one must accept Christ as saviour and be baptised to be able to enter heaven or otherwise burn in hell forever.

    Neither does Judaism say that one must become a Jew to receive God's forgiveness of their sins.

    Instead, they teach that to enter heaven, people, whatever their religion, should live like Christ to enter heaven.

    They also believe in re-incarnation of souls which were unable to achieve perfection in their previous lives on earth.

    Essene beliefs are quite similar to those of Hinduism and Buddhism, except that they take Jesus and Mary Magdalene as their masters.

    Whatever, the religions of the Middle East and the Mediterranean existed amidst a highly charged contentious environment, which explains the ongoing conflict until today.

    In short, there has been and still is a lot of religious politics, with each one claiming they have the correct path to God.

  • mae says:
    February 4, 2013 at 2:08:00 AM GMT+8

    the error by christians in borneo started when the evangelists in 1800s asked Abdullah Munshi as to what to use God in malay bible and Munshi told them to use Allah. the culprit is Abdullah Munshi. the borneo christians should make correction themselves by not following the Abdullah Munshi's translation.

  • Muntaha Kaliwon says:
    February 5, 2013 at 12:48:00 AM GMT+8

    Jesus - Who's Son was he?

    Was he the Son of GOD or the on of Joseph the carpenter or the Son of David? Bible says he is the son of all of them. Bible writers are mocking. They are not honest. Bible gives even an erratic genealogy of Jesus at two places. Matthew 1:1 and Luke 3 :23.

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