The picture shows the pastors in a hand holding swearing an oath to struggle on till Malaysia becomes a Christian state and a Christian Minister is in place.
Read our posting here last night.
There was a denial on The Nut Graph and Lim Kit SIang's people posted it in his blog. However they did not deny such oath occured.
Christian leaders condemn claims trying to usurp IslamDo they think we are blind as to not be aware of DAP's covert use of churches led by Dato Ngeh Koo Ham in Sibu and followed on openly in teh sermon of church services in Kuching and Christian religous flavour in campaiging in the interior in the Sarawak State Election recently?
By Debra Chong, The Nut Graph
KUALA LUMPUR, May 6 — Organisers of a Christian meeting in Penang denied today allegations from pro-Umno bloggers that they were conspiring with the DAP to supplant Islam’s position as the country’s official religion in a bid to take over Putrajaya.
Are we not aware that the Malay Bibble issue was hyped up to increase Christian dissatisfaction?
The heated religious rhetoric from before the April 16 Sarawak election appeared to have died down immediately after, only to flare up again this week as right-wing Malay groups sounded the alarm over the rising popularity of the Chinese-dominant DAP.WHy the diversionary answer? We are talking about a DAP organise dinner hosted by Jeff Ooi that had the pastors holding hands together pledging oath to turn Malaysia into a Christian nation and have a Christian PM.
The National Evangelical Christian Fellowship (NECF), together with partners Global Day of Prayer, Marketplace Penang and Penang Pastors Fellowship, said the claims against their community were lies and slammed the pro-Malay rights groups for driving a further wedge to create social disharmony in multicultural Malaysia apart from being seditious.
“The organiser vehemently denies such a claim as being unfounded and totally untrue aimed at creating division and social disharmony in multi-ethnic society of Malaysia and appears to be seditious,” the Christian group said in a statement this evening.
“The so-called special convention this morning was in fact an unashamedly ethical marketplace seminar organised to discuss and address the issue of bribery and corruption in the marketplace and the Christians’ contribution in addressing such issues.
“It has nothing to do with political succession,” the organisers explained.
We are not talking about the convention.
A good Christian shouldnt be lying but they do. NECF is the greatest liar and conspirator dedicated to convert Muslim. Read here and here
The group added that last night’s dinner, mentioned in the blogs, was held to honour several pastors from Sarawak who were in Penang for the meeting.Now they talk of Constitution but will they affirm and respect Article 11(4)?
“Such fellowship dinners are common amongst Christians and are part and parcel of the Christian custom of love and fellowship,” it said.
Several pro-Malay rights blogs posted today articles charging the secular party of sedition for trying to change what the bloggers believed to be the country’s laws to enable a Christian to be prime minister, pointing to a grainy photograph showing what they described to be a secret pact between the DAP and pastors at a hotel in Penang yesterday.
The Federal Constitution does not expressly specify race or religious requirements for the position of prime minister. Article 43(2)(a) of the constitution states only that the Yang diPertuan Agong shall appoint as PM a member of parliament who in his judgment is likely to command the confidence of the majority of the Dewan Rakyat
In a posting headlined “Agong under threat? DAP wants to make Christianity the official religion of Malaysia?” blogger Marahku (marahku.blogspot.com) accused DAP of trying to amend the federal constitution to allow a Christian to become prime minister.And that is the underlying and hideen agenda of MyConsti movement. The legal profession led by deviants Muslim lawyers and in cohort with Bar Council wants to make it easy for Muslim to murtad.
“The whole point of changing the official religion is to allow a Christian to become prime minister of this country,” the blogger said.
“In order to change the status of Islam as the official religion of Malaysia, they would not only have to change the constitution with a two-third majority but would also have to get the consent of the Agong, as head of Islam in Malaysia to demote it to second spot behind Christianity… I think the only way DAP is going to achieve this is by putting a gun to the Agung’s head [sic],” he added.
On bigdogdotcom.wordpress.com, the writer claimed to have received a message that the DAP’s Jeff Ooi had organised a dinner for pastors from Sarawak and overseas at the Red Rock Hotel on Jalan Macalister in Penang.No denial on the oath?
“Among the activities that night included the 35 pastors taking a group oath. They formed a circle and touched each other’s shoulder and vowed in English to make Christianity the official religion of Malaysia and put a Christian Prime Minister in office,” the anonymous writer said in his blog under the headline “Making Christianity the official religion?”
He also pointed to the same grainy picture he posted at the top of his blog page, which he had captioned “Partying pastors or pastors doing the party do and vow to have a Christian as Malaysian Prime Minister”.
The blogger further alleged that the DAP had labelled the ruling Barisan Nasional (BN) coalition as an “anti-Christ agent” in the run-up to polls in Sarawak, showing the opposition party was “openly against BN on religious grounds and they are now making it their clarion call, their rabble rousing horn”.
The blogger said it was a seditious and religiously-divisive statement that was never investigated by the police “or at least they did not tell us about any investigations on the matter”.
He called on the authorities to investigate the allegations for sedition warning that if the authorities failed in their duty, the country may be “shattered again”.
At the same time, the blogger sounded the battle cry to Malay-Muslims, urging them to “make a vow to defend the position of Islam as the official religion and the position of Malays as Bumiputra in their own homeland till the last man standing”.
He said the community must stop making excuses because “as an Islamic country, Malaysia has been tolerant of all religious views as long as it does not encroach into Islam and in Sarawak where the Christian population is significantly larger than the Muslim community, there are more churches than mosques to reflect the situation”.
Ooi, the Jelutong MP named in the articles, admitted that the picture posted in the blogs were authentic, but contested that he had organised the dinner, let alone led the Christian leaders in making a pledge to make Christianity the official creed.
“I’m not a Christian,” he told The Malaysian Insider when contacted.
He said the dinner had been organised by the Christian pastors, in recognition of the DAP team who had visited them while in Sarawak for the state election and that the prayer sessions — one before dinner and one at the end — was a usual part of their worship, and not a pledge as alleged.
He added the pastors had also prayed for his safety.
Ooi said he had told Umno-owned Utusan Malaysia the same thing when they called him for a response.Note the attempt to blame others as diversion and defensive nature of Jeff Ooi's answers.
“I suspect the Special Branch has infiltrated the pastors… some of them didn’t want to shake my hand,” he told The Malaysian Insider, when asked how the photograph of the closed-door event made its way onto the websites.
“I’m not disturbed, I’m not concerned because bigdog didn’t call me names,” he added, when asked if he was worried it would be used against him and the DAP.
“But I think the Christians are,” he said.
Still no denial?
Will Khalid Samad and PAS come to the pastors' rescue?
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pro-PR memang semua KAFIR. mereka ini lah yg telah merosak dan menghina ISLAM.
nik aziz laknatullah kata ALLAH gangster
anuwar kata ALLAH islam sama dgn ALLAH kristian
mahfuz dan hadi..errr.. dia org memang pelacur agama
DAP - tuan punya anjing dan bewak PAS.
sikit lagi adalah bewak dan babi PAS kata kristian tu benar..
haramjadah punya PAS. dah lah rasuah dlm agama islam dia cakap dibenarkan, islam pulak habis di jualkan. TAKEBEER!!
lepas ni kita orang2 melayu Islam akan dapat melihat gereja terbesar di asia wujud dlm negara kita krn diplomatiknya puak2 penjual agama ni!
aku nie, katolik yang rajin pi gereja... DAN PENYOKONG FANATIK BN!!!... tapi artikel bodoh camnie buat aku frust, sebab nyer aku tau semua pasal nak kristian kan malaysia larrr.. nak katolik kan malaysia larr...lansung tak masuk hotak!! tak betol langsung!! manjang ingatan aku yang dah nak mencecah 40 tahun nie tak pernah pon aku dengar pasal agenda nak katolik kan malaysia.. masa aku pi meeting ajk gereja daerah mau pun ajk negeri, tak pernah pon isu politik di bincangkan, apalagi pasal nak katolikkan malaysia.. malah kami sering mendoakan agar tuhan memberkati pemimpin negara(BN) kita agar mentabir negara dengan adil dan saksama... kristian/katolik bukan bodoh, pasal tu lar kami sokong BN.. tapi citer camni sangat mengecewakan bab ia mengambarkan seolah olah kristian/katolik ader agenda tersembunyi dan klu benar dah lamer BN tumbang kat SABAH dan SARAWAK!... kakak aku islam bab khawin ngan orang melayu dan dia berusaha untuk menjadi islam yang baik, siap belajar mengaji lagi... klu bulan puasa, kami sekeluarga(yang kritian/katolik) pon ikut puasa (siap sahur dan berbuka sekali)... klu korang nak tau kami(katolik) pon ada bulan posa jugak-40 hari!... 31ogos(merdeka) di sambut dengan sembahyang kesyukuran! Hari raya pon kami ikut happy...klu hari krimas 90% tetamu yang datang rumah adalah kawan2 yang berugama islam, yang masak kat rumah pon semua jiran2 islam, kat sekolah kami ikut pendidikan islam so kami tau sikit sebanyak pasal islam dan kami tahu islam tu baik dan sabab tu kami tak takut pada fanatik islam yang lansung tak tau pasal kristian/katolik dan sebab tu kami sokong BN pasal BN menghormati prisip kebebasan berugama... tapi artikel camni mengambarkan sebalik nyer!!! klu korang nak kami start berpolitik dalam gereja dan dan hasut penganut kristian/katolik untuk sokong bangsat DAP sila lar cadangkan dalam blog blog pro BN dan lihat lar kejatuhan BN! jangan lar masuk perangkat DAP/PKR wahai saudara saudara ku dalam BN. jangan biar penjubur tu tawan putrajaya sebab perjalan ke sana mungkin bermula dari SABAH atau SARAWAK yang majoriti nyer bukan islam.
Anon 1:59:00
Dalam apa2 situasi pun, agama tu tak menjadi masalah, tapi yang SELALU bermasalah adalah penganut agama2 tersebut yang bertindak di luar batasan agama mereka sendiri.
Mungkin komuniti kristian ko ok. Kita tak nafikan, sebab ramai yang kristian baik2. Tapi, kami yang islam pun mengaku ada puak2 islam yang melebih2. Manusia memang macam tu. Oleh sebab itu, tak dapat la kita rumuskan yang SEMUA penganut kristian tu baik2. Tak logik. Sebab TAK SEMUA orang islam tu pun baik2.
Kita tak boleh rule out yang ada pihak yang mempergunakan dan memperalatkan agama untuk kepentingan masing2. Dah terbukti. Dah kalau orang tak puas hati dengan sekelompok puak kristian yang melampau, jangan la anggap kami tuduh SEMUA kristian macam tu. Dan jangan la pulak terlebih defensive sampaikan macam SEMUA penganut katolik tu baik2. Kalau semua baik2 takkan la ada kes pastor2 sexual abuse terhadap juvenile kan?
Macam aku cakap tadi, agama tak salah, penganutnya yang boleh jadi macam2. Kalau perkara ni tak betul, maka tak betul la. Tapi kalau perkara ni benar, takkan nak biarkan?